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fivestring



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:26 am    Post subject: Fishing Reports, Pressure and Mortality Reply with quote

Does anyone else get concerned about this? Positive fishing reports tend to draw lots of fishermen, responsible and irresponsible. With that, fish being dragged up rocks, tossed back in, and illegal fish being kept all happen.

It is easy to follow reports without doing the legwork. I'm sure all of us have gone out fishing and had success in response to a positive report. It's fun to brag to everyone you caught a pile of fish. I get it. However, I fish alone 99% of the time; I enjoy the solitude. I cringe when I see spots and obvious clues such as "the water" mentioned online. I mostly avoid posting fish I catch.

I don't want to come across as anyone's nanny. I hope it's not taken like that. It is something to consider, though.
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GKolyagin



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen it, most guys I talked to read online that fish is being caught. problem is even when someone says certain area (not exact spot) everyone runs to every available spot to fish in the area. I'm not going to lie, I've done the report chasing (still am as of past week Sad)

It can be a nice thing helping people catch fish, but not everyone cares about fish as some of us do, so that's when the fish abuse and keeping of shorts happens.

I've only been fishing religiously for half a year or so and realize how bad spot burning is, and how annoying report chasing is.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Redneckangler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't think much of what's posted gives away any real secrets. More of what's biting when, etc. CT freshwater does get pressured as there simply aren't a lot of big bodies of water. However, most of the fish targeted are abundant. Real pressure on most threatened species comes from commercial targeting. I get pissed seeing recreational guys take short stripers, and won't hesitate to call DEEP, but this isn't what really threatens the fish. I seriously doubt there is an inch of the Housie, CT, or any other river that is "secret.". There might not be much shore access, but I can promise that GPS and side scan sonar have eliminated just about all of the mystery. Throw a side scan on in the Housie this time of year, and it's a matter of cruising up river until you find the masses of fish. Then you can sit on top of them and catch til your arms fall of if thats what you want. I don't chase reports, because they are pretty much useless. I know where I catch pike in the CT river. I also know that if someone was catching (or not) the day before in a given location, conditions change. I look at the tides, water temp, weather patterns, stream flows and other data that dictates where and when I fish. I log this information. I rarely share this. Most of what is really useful online comes in the form of perhaps new ideas, things to try etc. Basically, its just shooting the sheet. If you want to keep your cards close to your vest, that's OK by me. If you want to post a pic, I don't think it makes much of a difference. I have to admit, there have been times when I've f*cked with people, knowing they will have the anglers on their boats lower rods, even with a fish on, to avoid letting others know they are on fish. Pull within visual distance, sit down and have lunch. I would say, fishing from both shore and boat, that boat anglers should have a bit more respect that shore bound guys are limited, and parking on top of them to fish is definitely a violation of fishermans code. Anyway, that's my $.02 and more.

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fishfinder



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I totally agree and never give up where I'm fishing and throw it: under "stripers" or similar.
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PECo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I read someone complain about other people sharing information, I wonder why they're even on a forum like this. . . . Rolling Eyes

I'm lucky enough to be able to go fishing a lot. Not everyone has the time or resources to figure out how or where to catch fish. If I have any information that could help anyone enjoy fishing as much as I, I'm willing to share it. Plus, sharing information doesn't catch anyone a fish. They still have to make the effort to get out there and do it for themself.

That said, I believe that every fisherman should follow the rules and regulations regarding fishing. Whether you agree with them or not, they exist to promote the enjoyment of fishing by everyone. If you're going to go fishing, buy a license, and follow the rules and regulations.
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fishfinder



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with that also Phil but in some places shore fishing where the fish are is very limited to areas where maybe 2 people can fish comfortably so if I get there and 2 people are already there then I have to try and find another spot where twelve people aren't already fishing. Its not like boat fishing.
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Amotha



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fishfinder wrote:
I agree with that also Phil but in some places shore fishing where the fish are is very limited to areas where maybe 2 people can fish comfortably so if I get there and 2 people are already there then I have to try and find another spot where twelve people aren't already fishing. Its not like boat fishing.
agreed...if you have never had a spot burned then you cant really have a opinion on this...
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PECo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amotha wrote:
fishfinder wrote:
I agree with that also Phil but in some places shore fishing where the fish are is very limited to areas where maybe 2 people can fish comfortably so if I get there and 2 people are already there then I have to try and find another spot where twelve people aren't already fishing. Its not like boat fishing.
agreed...if you have never had a spot burned then you cant really have a opinion on this...

I've never considered any "spot" to be mine. Laughing
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Amotha



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PECo wrote:
Amotha wrote:
fishfinder wrote:
I agree with that also Phil but in some places shore fishing where the fish are is very limited to areas where maybe 2 people can fish comfortably so if I get there and 2 people are already there then I have to try and find another spot where twelve people aren't already fishing. Its not like boat fishing.
agreed...if you have never had a spot burned then you cant really have a opinion on this...

I've never considered any "spot" to be mine. Laughing
haha well lets set up a theoretical scenario....so after doiong you homework you have found this great rock pile thats been uncoverd by a storm.. its holding hungry bass waiting to nail the hoards of peanuts durring a ripping tide...your catching fish after fish having shitloads of fun...all of the sudden some Ahole with a cellphone shows up and calls in the damn cavalry. now you are fishing shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of guys that havent showerd in weeks and have no respect for your space..they r crossing you left and right, asking to borrow your pliers, or for you to move out of the way as they slowly land a dink bass and on top of it all you run back to your car to change out a dull hook on ur hot lure and you come back to find there is no more space for you to fish...well this may be a very harsh scenario but coming back to a spot u left a few hours ago to find it packed with people because someone talks to much is not fun
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SeaDog1



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

One thing you guys didn't touch upon is that there is more and more population each year, which adds to more fishing pressure.

Also we have many hungry people with families that are supplementing their diet with fish protein.
So they're not about to care about following fishing rules or C&R.

When you have hungry mouths to feed at home, your going to keep all you catch.

It's called SURVIVAL !
And it's happening all over the world, which is why fish stocks keep getting smaller and smaller due to over fishing !

SeaDog1


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PECo



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amotha wrote:
haha well lets set up a theoretical scenario....so after doiong you homework you have found this great rock pile thats been uncoverd by a storm.. its holding hungry bass waiting to nail the hoards of peanuts durring a ripping tide...your catching fish after fish having shitloads of fun...all of the sudden some Ahole with a cellphone shows up and calls in the damn cavalry. now you are fishing shoulder to shoulder with a bunch of guys that havent showerd in weeks and have no respect for your space..they r crossing you left and right, asking to borrow your pliers, or for you to move out of the way as they slowly land a dink bass and on top of it all you run back to your car to change out a dull hook on ur hot lure and you come back to find there is no more space for you to fish...well this may be a very harsh scenario but coming back to a spot u left a few hours ago to find it packed with people because someone talks to much is not fun

Unfortunately, there are a lot of inconsiderate people in the world. The best you can do is to try your best to not be one of them.
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Redneckangler



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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agreed...if you have never had a spot burned then you cant really have a opinion on this...


I'm pretty sure most everyone here has had "a spot burned." I promise I've had many more than some, less than others. No doubt, it sucks. Not everyone is knowledgable enough or cares enough to practice decent fishing etiquette. But it's also PUBLIC access. Don't be too quick to criticise this, because more and more of the best locations are being closed to all anglers. If someone moves in on a spot, I'll try and be nice. It's not mine. They may not know a whole lot, and with a little friendly coaching may then be more receptive to some subtle eitquette lessons. They may also be a-holes, in which case you're stuck with a decision to stick it out or move on. An altercation really isn't worth it. (That said, hopefully people will ignore the little incident I had on the Salmon River with a particular Canuck. By the time I finished up the day and got into a local bar, everyone up and down the river had heard.)

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there are a lot of inconsiderate people in the world. I think the best that you can do is to try your best to not be one of them.
Totally agree PeCo. What it boils down to is, unless you take fly in trips to Alaska, this sheet happens.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone had taken my avatar pic from the other side, you would see about 6 guys standing right accross the river Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I give specifics for the places i boat fish, because well, it's lonely out there. I would love know I helped aim a fellow fisherman in the right direction. I can however, understand the frustration with tight shore fishing quarters. I have fished Pulaski; but, the cream rises to the top even there. I was fishing the rocks at the end of the Niantic river last year on the Hillyer's side (very small spot). A guy parks and gets out with his kid, comes up behind me and asks "having any luck?" I tell him i just got there but to throw on something shiny and start casting. He says, "Nah, I'm just going to stand here and watch you to see if you catch anything; if you do, then we'll start fishing." Luckily fishing has taught me peace and patience. love you all and your great tips and stories. have a wonderful xmas and new years
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